Sir Alf
12:11 Mon Sep 21
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Conceding 2 goals a game is indeed one major problem.
I guess its why Moyes says the defence needs improving.
The use of Haller and Anderson is also restricted by the squad imbalance IMHO. We seem to get overrun and outplayed in midfield by most teams when we have only 4 in there. So Moyes, being Moyes always reverts to safety first with 5 in the midfield which in games where we cannot counter we struggle more ( which is arguably why we look best against teams that are pushing forward in numbers and not sitting deep - hence why Wolves will be a different proposition and we are at home with the onus on us to attack ) . Having the 5 in midfield also means lack of support for Antonio and him getting "smothered" as per the Newcastle game although in that game our 5 including Noble were outrun and out played played in the middle of the park.
Its why I bore everyone sh*tless about the need for more mobility/pace/work rate allied to good passing of course in midfield. You have that and all of a sudden you can release the flair players and support 2 up front. Not sure Moyes would do it mind but can see why he doesn't at the moment.
Wolves will sit deeper on Saturday and look to Traore etc. to counter against us when our slow build up and inability to stretch them results in us losing it in midfield or we are pushed deep into their half on a corner or set piece. Failing that, our limited squad and "legs" in the team means we inevitably tire about 60 - 70 mins in. We concede and then pop 2 more forward looking players on in desperation and low and behold get caught out with less cover in midfield etc and concede again.
The unbalanced / poor blend in the squad is the biggest problem and has been since we returned to the Premiership which points to recruitment failure, lack of strategy/long term plan , constant Yoyo of manager from "attrition" (BFS/Moyes) to "expansive" (Bilic/Pellegrini) .
We still have no left back option of quality (Cresswell was better Saturday with the more mobile Arfur in front but is barely adequate), only 1 CB of quality, lacks mobile/box-to-box options in midfield and lacks a strong pacy front man other than the adapted winger that is Antonio.
We need reinforcements desperately or likely go down.
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Lily Hammer
12:07 Mon Sep 21
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JOHNNY V 11:17 Mon Sep 21
I agree.
Liverpool, Man City, Bayern, the old good Barca, all worked their nuts off when out of possession to get the ball back, and worked their nuts off in possession to make them selves available for the next pass.
First and foremost, a good team needs fit hard working players, and any elements of flair go on top of that.
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Dandy Lyon
12:00 Mon Sep 21
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Nagel 11:07 Mon Sep 21
**Applause Emoji**
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JOHNNY V
11:17 Mon Sep 21
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All managers want players that can hurt the opposition, but would Anderson last 5 minutes at Liverpool or City. All there flair players work their socks off for the team never switch off and play to a system and are disciplined. We have players that cannot be trusted to do any of that.
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Iron Duke
11:11 Mon Sep 21
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Very unlucky but we still conceded 2 goals again. If we keep conceding 2 goals every game then we will continue to be "unlucky".
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Nagel
11:07 Mon Sep 21
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I think the real problem here is not just that Moyes is a worse manager than Pellegrini but that he's so different. While every other replacement PL manager improved their team ours didn't. Moyes struggles with flair players and only likes grafters. Fair enough, except that means having to spend to buy those grafters and leave the flair players on the sidelines where they lose value and get sold for much less than we bought them for.
Inevitably Moyes will get sacked and the board will look to find a more attacking style manager again. And again, the new manager will struggle because this time we have too many grafters, not enough flair. So we buy and sell at a loss again. And the merry go round continues when this new guy gets the boot.
Going from Allardyce to Bilic to Moyes to Pellegrini to Moyes to... it's fucking mental really. The real problem with Pellegrini's time is that he chose his own Director of Football. The board should have and should now get a proper one in, have him select the manager and oversee transfers. Given the short shelf life of managers these days the DoF should always have it in mind who his replacement might be, not just grab whoever's available and cheap, because you pay for it in the long term.
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Lee Trundle
11:07 Mon Sep 21
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Loaning Tottenham players to nurture them has got to be a now low, surely?
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wd40
11:05 Mon Sep 21
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Very unlucky Saturday think we all need to take that on board.
Just Love that away shirt havnt brought a shirt for over 40 years very tempted.
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Dandy Lyon
11:01 Mon Sep 21
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Agree to a point.
But if you have a player that was bought because of his success playing a certain way and then is expected to play a completely different way with limited if not non existent service, it’s hard not to blame the manager for that.
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swindon hammer
10:51 Mon Sep 21
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TBF the likes of Anderson, Haller, Yarmolenko & Lanzini shouldn’t be needing Moyes to get the best out of them.
If they had all played to the value of their high fees/big wages then Pellegrini would still be in a job.
Not sure you can entirely blame Moyes for that one.
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Westham67
10:44 Mon Sep 21
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If you recall Dunk the hunk who always used to score against us Moyes does like a strong centre forward type player imo that should be Haller with Antonio on the right
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Westham67
10:41 Mon Sep 21
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Some press on NewsNow Yarmo to China. We are getting a Jap fella in. Tarkowski nearly done, Chambers from the Gunners and Sessegnon on loan
If we have a decent back 4 and midfield me may see the likes of Haller and Anderson getting a run out
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Sven Roeder
10:33 Mon Sep 21
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Obviously the players take a lot of the blame too but after 9 months working with £100m plus of players in Anderson, Haller, Yarmolenko & Lanzini the manager cant get anything out of them at all.
That’s a major failure in my book
The positives from the weekend :
Our ‘role model’ Leipzig won
The away shirts looked good on the tv
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Westham67
10:31 Mon Sep 21
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On the bright side we only 2 goals behind Man U
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One McAvennieeeeee
10:25 Mon Sep 21
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Our performance Saturday was really good and we were unlucky.
But I think it's more useful to look at the managers record over his 2 spells here, or in fact, over the last 5 years of his managerial career. It's certainly more useful than picking out 1 performance.
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Lee Trundle
10:22 Mon Sep 21
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Brighton easily dispatched Newcastle. The TOON didn't even have a shot on target.
Yet we made them look like Brazil.
2 games, 0 points. Can't wait for this season to end.
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ChillTheKeel
10:16 Mon Sep 21
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We almost always up our game vs Arsenal, no matter who's in charge. We almost come away with fuck all too. I've no idea why some people were surprised at the performance. And don't be surprised when we revert to playing like shit next Sunday.
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ornchurch ammer
10:11 Mon Sep 21
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Got to agree with Haz.
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RM10
10:06 Mon Sep 21
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And didn’t spend a bean wish we didn’t give him 200m to spend, mugged we were
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goose
9:57 Mon Sep 21
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2-0 opening day win for Betis last night.
RoJo will say the ‘fraud’ was lucky & the performance is much more important than the result.
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Willtell
9:51 Mon Sep 21
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Two good posts there Haz & Sir Alf...
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